Overtuned classes poll

[Defiant]

I got 20 years of experience

You have 20 years experience playing vanilla and retail PVP. Octowow isn't Vanilla. The PVP balance here is completely different. Your "experience" means absolutely nothing and if you were a real PVPer you would know this.

And PVP experience won't change the fact that they're just trying to get a read of the room and see what people feel needs balancing. They've already taken all the shit you brought up into consideration as those are all things they've already acknowledged in the past when you people were screaming for nerfs left right and center. They had to tell specifically you all of the things that you posted about here.

It was genuinely wild for me reading your post, seeing you basically repeat the shit that the developers said to you a few months back when YOU were demanding knee jerk reaction nerfs. You're a joke.

[Duraluminium]

You have 20 years experience playing vanilla and retail PVP. Octowow isn't Vanilla.

I've played on TA on Turtle.
The fact that you always assume that your opponent sucks tells a lot about you btw

The PVP balance here is completely different. Your "experience" means absolutely nothing and if you were a real PVPer you would know this.

You are wrong even here. The balance is changed, but the experience still matter a lot, especially on bgs and in wpvp. The knowledge of the skills is actually very situational and is updated with every new private server or official expansion, but the overall knowledge of PVP in WOW only changes a little in most cases. if YOU were a PVP player you would know this. Just as I told earlier, go play dolls on your PVE server and stop trying to enforce your ways of licking devs ass on the PVP players. I'm giving my feedback using my knowledge and experience. They can use it or not, it's their decision, you have nothing to do with it

And PVP experience won't change the fact that they're just trying to get a read of the room and see what people feel needs balancing. They've already taken all the shit you brought up into consideration as those are all things they've already acknowledged in the past when you people were screaming for nerfs left right and center. They had to tell specifically you all of the things that you posted about here.

If they got my posts into consideration, they'd use them in the poll. They did not, and there are many people on the PVP discords who noticed it, and got into discussions. You don't know it cause you are not there obviously, PVE players do not join PVP discords

It was genuinely wild for me reading your post, seeing you basically repeat the shit that the developers said to you a few months back when YOU were demanding knee jerk reaction nerfs. You're a joke.

I don't care what was 'wild' to you, cause your opinion does not matter on the PVP topics. Get lost already, you are not welcomed here. Read the room.

[Knifewrench]

I got 20 years of experience

You have 20 years experience playing vanilla and retail PVP. Octowow isn't Vanilla. The PVP balance here is completely different. Your "experience" means absolutely nothing and if you were a real PVPer you would know this.

And PVP experience won't change the fact that they're just trying to get a read of the room and see what people feel needs balancing. They've already taken all the shit you brought up into consideration as those are all things they've already acknowledged in the past when you people were screaming for nerfs left right and center. They had to tell specifically you all of the things that you posted about here.

It was genuinely wild for me reading your post, seeing you basically repeat the shit that the developers said to you a few months back when YOU were demanding knee jerk reaction nerfs. You're a joke.

bro when u gonna stop larping as pvper and stop trolling the yshaarj section?

[Swyp]

Holy paladins sucking the fun out of pvp. Half the alliance team is paladin, permanent blessing of freedom, bubble, bop, .. A tank with instant heals. Nerf them to the ground.

[Swyp]

Holy paladins sucking the fun out of pvp. Half the alliance team is paladin, permanent blessing of freedom, bubble, bop, .. A tank with instant heals. Nerf them to the ground.

[Brwcht]

As I understand it, the author of the topic isn’t proposing any changes? Was it worth creating the topic?

[Duraluminium]

As I understand it, the author of the topic isn’t proposing any changes? Was it worth creating the topic?

If you read the first post, you would see the 'suggestion' part.
But for that you'd need to read the whole post

[Brwcht]

As I understand it, the author of the topic isn’t proposing any changes? Was it worth creating the topic?

If you read the first post, you would see the 'suggestion' part.
But for that you'd need to read the whole post

Please tell us who you call a hybrid. The enchantment branch contains:
+5% chance to block with a shield, +60% amount of shield block (from two talents);
+5% critical chance with weapons;
+6 shield charges that trigger from any attacks (+mana efficiency); the shield deals 420 damage(with stormstrike debuff), which is equivalent to a critical hit from 2 hand weapons against cloth armor;
+ ability to activate the shield for GCD;
+15% armor from items; +6% dodge;
+10 damage reduction from totem (for physical DPS, this is -5%...-10% damage reduction, taking into account the shaman's shield and chain mail);
debuff for +30% fire damage per hit, 100% critical frostbrand strikes, absorb shield depending on the phys damage done.And nothing prevents them from wielding a two‑handed weapon in battle.;
+10% damage with all weapons, and +10%(!!!) critical chance of shocks. This works very well with the PvP set bonus and the bonuses of the individual pieces of this set, which is more than other classes have.
Why do you need other talent branches at all, if there is an enchantment talent branch? So who are you calling a hybrid? The shaman will in any case get everything he needs in the second talent branch for a minimum of 30–31 talents and will take everything he needs. And it doesn’t matter how you shuffle the talents in the branch; the strongest attackers will simply move higher up the talent branches. In the end, you’re not actually proposing to change anything.
You’re just pointing out the tanking ability of shamans. Taking into account the talents in the 2nd branch and a few others from the 1st branch(+5% spell damage, -10% spell damage (and if they really want +100% critical strike damage for spells)), where the shaman has 15–20 talent points, and he will get them with a high probability. The shaman not only has good tanking ability but also decent damage. So I don’t understand — did the same person create this topic as the one here https://octowow.st/forum/viewtopic.php?p=5024#p5024

What can a Holly Paladin do? He has heavy armor and a shield, and he can heal instantly.And this won’t save him from the assassination rogues . Paladin may survive better with the same number of physical enemies, but that’s not a given, because in a 1 vs 2 battle a shaman can simply quickly eliminate one enemy using their spells, while a paladin in this situation will survive longer without dealing as much damage as a shaman.
The paladin’s survivability is due to his heavy armor, while the shaman’s survivability is due to the artificially added survivability required for tanking bosses.
And it should be clear to everyone that the TW developers didn’t think about PvP when they gave the shaman 2 talent branch with so much damage and so much survivability at the same time.

[Swyp]

Where is the update on this?? What is being done? When can we expect changes? What was the result of the poll??

[Duraluminium]

You’re just pointing out the tanking ability of shamans. Taking into account the talents in the 2nd branch and a few others from the 1st branch(+5% spell damage, -10% spell damage (and if they really want +100% critical strike damage for spells)), where the shaman has 15–20 talent points, and he will get them with a high probability. The shaman not only has good tanking ability but also decent damage. So I don’t understand — did the same person create this topic as the one here https://octowow.st/forum/viewtopic.php?p=5024#p5024

And it should be clear to everyone that the TW developers didn’t think about PvP when they gave the shaman 2 talent branch with so much damage and so much survivability at the same time.

Well, I've made multiple posts about shaman's tanking talents to be OP when taken with shaman's damage or healing talents. Basically any hybrid shaman is OP in PVP. I'm not playing shaman, so I don't know their talents good enough to tell what exactly to do with it.
So I'm not going to argue with you on this - shamans need big nerf and rework.